Mesmer or Elementalist?? which to choose... - Page 2 - Guild Wars Forums

HackingHippie712 · Jul 27, 2008, 06:16 PM // 18:16

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Ah, pardon my ignorance for just using any Mesmer hex and still using it to it's full extent.

yes, you can use any old mesmer hex but id like to think youd take a hex that actually serves a function rather than to trigger CoP

but i guess comming from a pve scrubs perspective you can have skills with no function at all on your bar

Also...as for soi only being 11...you're dumb, teinais heat does 38 dps with soi and hmm whats teinais heat do at 14 fire? 38

beyond that mesmers are capable of much much more than "single target shutdown" so before you act like you try to know something about a profession you clearly dont will you please shut up before somebody actually takes you seriously

Tyla · Jul 27, 2008, 06:25 PM // 18:25

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Originally Posted by HackingHippie712

yes, you can use any old mesmer hex but id like to think youd take a hex that actually serves a function rather than to trigger CoP

I thought the main part of the damage came from CoP itself. CoP is overpowered. Single target shutdown sucks in PvE. GG.

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but i guess comming from a pve scrubs perspective you can have skills with no function at all on your bar

CoP is overpowered, and the skill which has no function fulfills the requirement needed to use it. I abuse imbalanced skills when I want to.

Oh, and it's funny you calling me a "PvE scrub" when I only play PvP now.

One question. whoru?

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Also...as for soi only being 11...you're dumb, teinais heat does 38 dps with soi and hmm whats teinais heat do at 14 fire? 38

Oh, sorry, I was talking about PVE-ONLY SKILLS. Bad wording on my part, but isn't it blindingly obvious that I'm talking about PvE-only if I'm talking rank 11? I don't care if SoI sucks, but not abusing PvE-only skills with it and using 14 spec Ele skills when you can just create an Elementalist for the job is bad. Fast Casting doesn't make much of a difference in PvE.

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beyond that mesmers are capable of much much more than "single target shutdown" so before you act like you try to know something about a profession you clearly dont will you please shut up before somebody actually takes you seriously

Oh, sorry. I guess I don't play my PvE Mesmer much when I can just BHA + Epidemic a mob for easy interrupts on spells with the two times cast like Arcane Conundrum. Well, I do play my PvE Mesmer but I understand it's sub-par. You can run the main things on other characters such as CoP, CoF...

Smarty · Jul 27, 2008, 06:38 PM // 18:38

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Originally Posted by Tyla

Well, I do play my PvE Mesmer but I understand it's sub-par.

Not in the looks department though. After all, what's the point in doing PvE if you're not the envy of every monster, hero and henchman with your snazzy clothes and super duper twirl?

eggs0wn · Jul 27, 2008, 06:50 PM // 18:50

Well I just created a Mesmer and can tell you it is very fun so far. Granted I'm only level 14 but it never gets old sticking Empathy/Backfire on a baddy followed by Cry of Pain and then watch the kill themselves.

My .2cents, I think a Mesmer is a fun challenging class; if your are looking for that then go with Mes.

Kook~NBK~ · Jul 27, 2008, 11:56 PM // 23:56

To OP:

Try either. Both can be fun to play and very effective in PvE. It will be easier to get into PUGs with an Ele, but you'll find that PUGs who don't subscribe to the "trinity" (Ele, Warrior, Monk) mind-set generally have a much higher success rate.

Jae Onasi · Jul 28, 2008, 12:31 AM // 00:31

I'm having fun playing both professions. Ele is fun for pure damage dealing and burning the snot out of the baddies. Mesmer is great fun for interrupting those enemy eles that are trying to nail my party and me. There's nothing like knowing I've just stopped meteor shower or fireball.

Da Rk Bl Ad E · Jul 28, 2008, 01:03 AM // 01:03

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Originally Posted by Don Doggy

Most PUGs don't realise how useful a mesmer can be so for getting accepted into groups ele will have an easier time. Ele is also easier to use and play than a mesmer.

don't pug.

and the only good thing mesmers brough to PvE was [cry of pain] and oh..wait..any profession can use it. including ele

and whoever said mesmers do more damage in hm than ele, thanks you made me laugh.

If you like blowing shit up and still having mild party support, go ele.

and oh that guy above me, Interrupting / Shutting down 1 target in PvE is pretty useless.

*Darcy* · Jul 28, 2008, 01:57 AM // 01:57

My mesmer is my most "fun" character out of my eight active ones.

HackingHippie712 · Jul 28, 2008, 09:48 AM // 09:48

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Originally Posted by Tyla

I thought the main part of the damage came from CoP itself. CoP is overpowered. Single target shutdown sucks in PvE. GG.

Did i ever say mesmers were better because they can single target shutdown? i did not...i use CoP for 100+ armor ignoring damage

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Originally Posted by Tyla

CoP is overpowered, and the skill which has no function fulfills the requirement needed to use it. I abuse imbalanced skills when I want to.

If you want something thats so "imbalanced" wouldnt you want to further how imbalanced it is by making the trigger hex actually do something rather than trigger hex

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Oh, and it's funny you calling me a "PvE scrub" when I only play PvP now.

Lol, then go back to pve because if you do "only pvp" you should know well enough that every skill on your bar should serve some purpose

Perhaps i should go by your logic...bring spirit shackles and price of failure to trigger dw off accumulated pain on a monk, rather than two usefull hexes like degen, or crippling anguish

HackingHippie712 · Jul 28, 2008, 09:52 AM // 09:52

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Originally Posted by Da Rk Bl Ad E

and whoever said mesmers do more damage in hm than ele, thanks you made me laugh.

use any of your brave damage ele skills on a HM Mob, and watch a bunch of lil yellow 1's and 2's fly up in the air

I'll take my mesmers pve bar against the same mob and ill prove to you that theres more dmg comming from the mesmer

Hyper.nl · Jul 28, 2008, 12:26 PM // 12:26

Eles are good for PvE and okay for PvP. Mesmers are not so good for PvE and very good for PvP.

A mes is harder to play than an ele because it requires quite some knowledge of the enemy. Personally I like the ele much better because of the high damage PvE spells you have.

Da Rk Bl Ad E · Jul 28, 2008, 04:19 PM // 16:19

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Originally Posted by HackingHippie712

use any of your brave damage ele skills on a HM Mob, and watch a bunch of lil yellow 1's and 2's fly up in the air

I'll take my mesmers pve bar against the same mob and ill prove to you that theres more dmg comming from the mesmer

I lol'd hard

I'm also guessing your BIG DPS is coming from CoP. Any ele with a brain can do more Dps than that.

Masseur · Jul 28, 2008, 04:30 PM // 16:30

I like Mesmer more than the Ele as Interrupts are nice, and there is degen and also multi-target interrupts and high level dmg of single and multi targets. Do not let anyone fool you into thinking Mesmers are only single target Casters. I love interrupting ALL characters, even melee and causing them dmg if they try and use a skill and degening them as the Monk is shutdown and can't heal. Causing dmg to the whole mob or interrupting them all at once is fun too.

Tyla · Jul 28, 2008, 04:34 PM // 16:34

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Originally Posted by HackingHippie712

Did i ever say mesmers were better because they can single target shutdown? i did not...i use CoP for 100+ armor ignoring damage

Nope, but the best shutdown for a Mesmer is single target. Oh, and if you use CoP for +100 damage, what are we arguing about?

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If you want something thats so "imbalanced" wouldnt you want to further how imbalanced it is by making the trigger hex actually do something rather than trigger hex

Nope, but to get a usage of the main skill in the first place, you can use it on any profession. Ether Nightmare is the usual trigger for the skill, and that's also not related to an attribute. 3 seconds isn't much in terms of PvE.

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Lol, then go back to pve because if you do "only pvp" you should know well enough that every skill on your bar should serve some purpose

Obaby, cheap shots from a shitter who uses a paper Elementalist without an open secondary. I don't even know who you are and you don't know who I am, but the main priority for Mesmer, secondary or primary in PvE is CoP. Ether Nightmare can be ran by everyone too. So can other trigger hexes that require little attribution to be effective in the first place. Infact, there was even a 'Sin farm build for the Underworld pre-nerf of Shadow Form with Cry of Pain using Ether Nightmare as the trigger, yet Ether Nightmare could be anything. The damage is all that matters withh Cry of Pain.

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Perhaps i should go by your logic...bring spirit shackles and price of failure to trigger dw off accumulated pain on a monk, rather than two usefull hexes like degen, or crippling anguish

Crippling Anguish? And you're telling me to go back to PvE? I wouldn't even suggest that in an example, because it isn't a cheap spammable trigger for CoP or whatever and steals an elite slot. Degeneration can also be PvE-only, again. Ether Nightmare.

Oh, and before you come up with that "lolpvescrub" shit again, why are you running an FC SoI Ele when the only big thing you get is FC, which has no bearing or good effect in PvE?

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use any of your brave damage ele skills on a HM Mob, and watch a bunch of lil yellow 1's and 2's fly up in the air

Sorry, but when you're a plain Elementalist you have an open secondary. When you're a Me/E you aren't. I would seriously consider Splinter Weapon over Cry of Pain. If you're not using an Elementalist, but a Me/Rt, go with that, but if you're SoI'ing you're missing out on another sexy Rit skill.

This is where the Ritualist is superior in this scenario. They have access to the same skills and not missing out anything but Fast Casting.

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Originally Posted by Masseur

I like Mesmer more than the Ele as Interrupts are nice, and there is degen and also multi-target interrupts and high level dmg of single and multi targets. Do not let anyone fool you into thinking Mesmers are only single target Casters. I love interrupting ALL characters, even melee and causing them dmg if they try and use a skill and degening them as the Monk is shutdown and can't heal. Causing dmg to the whole mob or interrupting them all at once is fun too.

Cry of Frustration doesn't require attribution to be effective, and it's the same for Cry of Pain and Ether Nightmare.

Oh, and I'm not calling Ele the best profession for PvE. I'm merely stating that Mesmers are inferior to all other professions for the simple reason their best skills are usable at any spec by any profession.

kratimas · Jul 28, 2008, 05:19 PM // 17:19

I have really enjoyed playing both and they are both very fun to play. If you are wanting to add farming to the list of things to do with this new character then I would have to go Ele. The Mes can farm but, I think the Ele is far better and faster at it.

IMO

HackingHippie712 · Jul 28, 2008, 05:38 PM // 17:38

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Originally Posted by Tyla

Crippling Anguish? And you're telling me to go back to PvE? I wouldn't even suggest that in an example, because it isn't a cheap spammable trigger for CoP or whatever and steals an elite slot. Degeneration can also be PvE-only, again. Ether Nightmare.

Yes, Crippling Anguish...keep in mind when i say that i say it from a BYOB'er perspective...Crip Anguish, Conjure Nightmare, Clums/Wand eye, Distortion Dash, etc, etc...drop archers faster than most other classes, snare rt/a with no hex removal and mostly passive heals pretty much guarantees permaboost, oh and if they do send extra flagger support, force 2-3 in the back of the base and have the rest of your team collapse

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Originally Posted by Tyla

Sorry, but when you're a plain Elementalist you have an open secondary. When you're a Me/E you aren't. I would seriously consider Splinter Weapon over Cry of Pain. If you're not using an Elementalist, but a Me/Rt, go with that, but if you're SoI'ing you're missing out on another sexy Rit skill.

Me/E isnt even brought into question here...i gave you the bar i use a few posts back that does quite a bit of armor-ignoring damage and can drop any boss in seconds....show me an ele that does that

Sure, CoP, CoF, and Ether Nightmare are useable off any other profession, but you're missing the other usefull mesmer hexes like empathy and backfire...and if you're going to tell me you're going to run empathy and backfire off an ele then GG now(which btw are amazing skills in pve)

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This is where the Ritualist is superior in this scenario. They have access to the same skills and not missing out anything but Fast Casting.

if you're running rit simply for splinter then lol because not only are you missing out on FC, but you're also missing out on SoI which also lets you cast 11 spec pain inverter, cop, etc etc etc but 14 spec backfire, empathy, and auspicious/conjure and pdrain which is much much more e-managment than a rit could ever hope to have[/QUOTE]

Snow Bunny · Jul 28, 2008, 05:49 PM // 17:49

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Originally Posted by HackingHippie712

backfire (which btw are amazing skills in pve)

I'll resort from flaming you despite the little flame at my guild, but...

Backfire is not amazing in PvE, nor will it ever be.

Take this from someone who does way more PvE than is healthy these days.

Kook~NBK~ · Jul 28, 2008, 07:09 PM // 19:09

This topic has officially derailed.

Mesmers are fine in PvE when the player knows how to play one.

Accursed · Jul 28, 2008, 10:34 PM // 22:34

Mesmers in my opinion, can easily be the best profession in PvE if the one playing the profession can play it well.

Elementalists are pretty much the same deal as the mesmers, but groups would rather take elementalists than mesmers because they believe that the mesmer can't really do anything besides "degen" which is, of course, un-true.

Magikarp · Jul 28, 2008, 11:15 PM // 23:15

my ele became a mule, then finally deleted after 2 1/2 years of being alive, whereas my mes is one of my 3 mains. why? because i like him :P

play what you like, and ignore the peanut gallery. you've had enough answers, and i think this thread is overbaked, so lets just give it a rest guys

(btw.. who is HackingHippie712? lol)

Jul 28, 2008, 01:57 AM // 01:57	#28
Darcy Never Too Old Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Rhode Island where there are no GW contests Guild: Order of First Profession: W/R	My mesmer is my most "fun" character out of my eight active ones. __________________ That's me, the old stick-in-the-mud non-fun moderator. (and non-understanding, also)

Jul 27, 2008, 06:50 PM // 18:50	#24
eggs0wn Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jun 2006	Well I just created a Mesmer and can tell you it is very fun so far. Granted I'm only level 14 but it never gets old sticking Empathy/Backfire on a baddy followed by Cry of Pain and then watch the kill themselves. My .2cents, I think a Mesmer is a fun challenging class; if your are looking for that then go with Mes.

Jul 27, 2008, 11:56 PM // 23:56	#25
Kook~NBK~ Grotto Attendant Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: A little chalet outside Drok's Guild: Natural Born Killaz	To OP: Try either. Both can be fun to play and very effective in PvE. It will be easier to get into PUGs with an Ele, but you'll find that PUGs who don't subscribe to the "trinity" (Ele, Warrior, Monk) mind-set generally have a much higher success rate.

Jul 28, 2008, 12:31 AM // 00:31	#26
Jae Onasi Frost Gate Guardian --> Join Date: Jan 2008 Guild: Lost Haven Profession: E/Mo	I'm having fun playing both professions. Ele is fun for pure damage dealing and burning the snot out of the baddies. Mesmer is great fun for interrupting those enemy eles that are trying to nail my party and me. There's nothing like knowing I've just stopped meteor shower or fireball.

Jul 28, 2008, 12:26 PM // 12:26	#31
Hyper.nl Desert Nomad Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Defending Fort Aspenwood Profession: E/	Eles are good for PvE and okay for PvP. Mesmers are not so good for PvE and very good for PvP. A mes is harder to play than an ele because it requires quite some knowledge of the enemy. Personally I like the ele much better because of the high damage PvE spells you have.

Jul 28, 2008, 04:30 PM // 16:30	#33
Masseur Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Southern California Profession: R/Mo	I like Mesmer more than the Ele as Interrupts are nice, and there is degen and also multi-target interrupts and high level dmg of single and multi targets. Do not let anyone fool you into thinking Mesmers are only single target Casters. I love interrupting ALL characters, even melee and causing them dmg if they try and use a skill and degening them as the Monk is shutdown and can't heal. Causing dmg to the whole mob or interrupting them all at once is fun too.

Jul 28, 2008, 05:19 PM // 17:19	#35
kratimas Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Dec 2005 Guild: Order of the Setting Sun Profession: R/	I have really enjoyed playing both and they are both very fun to play. If you are wanting to add farming to the list of things to do with this new character then I would have to go Ele. The Mes can farm but, I think the Ele is far better and faster at it. IMO

Jul 28, 2008, 07:09 PM // 19:09	#38
Kook~NBK~ Grotto Attendant Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: A little chalet outside Drok's Guild: Natural Born Killaz	This topic has officially derailed. Mesmers are fine in PvE when the player knows how to play one.

Jul 28, 2008, 10:34 PM // 22:34	#39
Accursed Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Sep 2007	Mesmers in my opinion, can easily be the best profession in PvE if the one playing the profession can play it well. Elementalists are pretty much the same deal as the mesmers, but groups would rather take elementalists than mesmers because they believe that the mesmer can't really do anything besides "degen" which is, of course, un-true.

Jul 28, 2008, 11:15 PM // 23:15	#40
Magikarp Desert Nomad Join Date: Nov 2007 Guild: [HAWK]	my ele became a mule, then finally deleted after 2 1/2 years of being alive, whereas my mes is one of my 3 mains. why? because i like him :P play what you like, and ignore the peanut gallery. you've had enough answers, and i think this thread is overbaked, so lets just give it a rest guys (btw.. who is HackingHippie712? lol)